An Ideologically Extreme Approach to Dropping Anime

Pictures are related in the sense that they're all from anime that I thought started out as crap but turned out to be good.

Pictures are related in the sense that they're all from anime that I thought started out as crap but turned out to be good.

And how it’s shaped my anime diet.

Dropping anime is a constant dilemma for every anime fan and there’s a variety of different philosophical approaches that people take when choosing to drop anime. Some people have a three episode test, some people have more, some less, some people will just stick around for as long as they can stand, while others will walk away from a series the second they no longer enjoy it. Personally, I take a pretty extreme approach towards dropping anime, in that, I try my darnedest not to. There are a number of underlying philosophies to why I choose to take this approach, and it’s lead to a few surprising consequences. In this post, I’ll attempt to come to a conclusion about whether this hard-lined attitude is healthy and leads to a balanced anime diet.

omisyth from Grand Punk Railroad opened the discussion by highlighting the fact that choosing to drop an anime can be a real dilemma. When deciding to drop an anime, one will probably ask themselves “what am I potentially missing out on?” “What if this series gets good?” “What if it doesn’t get good, would I just be wasting my time by sticking around?”. The basic dilemma is one of “missing out” if it does get good, versus “wasting time” if it doesn’t. What makes it a difficult choice is the fact that one’s decision in this situation must be, in part, informed by speculation. Does that mean, by the very nature of the decision, one can’t be truly informed, because one must attempt to predict what’s going to happen in the future to guide that decision? In my opinion, yes. And, for someone in my position, where giving an anime a “fair shake” is more important than being entertained, this is a significant reason why I try to avoid dropping anime where possible.

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So what anime will I drop. I dropped Kanokon after two episodes. No controversy there, right. I dropped To-Love-Ru after eleven. Why did I take so long for this series, when it’s probably no better than Kanokon, you might ask. Well, the answer is because there were regular fansubs for To-Love-Ru, which, for me, makes it even more difficult to drop. I often get into the frame of mind with poor series that, if I only have to put up with them once a week, I can tolerate them. When fansubs come sporadically, it requires even more motivation to get through the episodes when they do pile up, and if I’m not enjoying the series, the consequence is inevitable. I dropped Kyouran Kazoku Nikki after just one episode. The reason: because it was the last show I added to my list in the anime season it was airing it, and, by that point, I’d already built up a very full anime schedule. Kyouran Kazoku Nikki was one series too many at that point, and the first episode did little to impress or excite me, so I didn’t bother following it.

So, what about the anime that I regret watching and wasted my time on? Well, just go to the anime review page on the main site, click “Rating” twice, click “Reviewer” twice and scroll down to see the ten or so anime I’ve rated with “3″ or less. The thing is, in all honesty, I don’t “regret” watching any of these anime, since they all play an important role within my anime diet. I like this idea of taking a step back and looking at anime, the medium, as a whole, which I think is an important thing to do as a commentator on anime. There are inevitably going to be crap anime (as there are going to be inevitably people who like crap anime, no offense to them). But I honestly think it’s important to be aware of and understand these series, as well as what drives and justifies their existence. A lot of these series are easy to watch (provided you check your brain at the door). On the other side of the coin, a lot of the series that receive high ratings on our site are difficult to watch. I’d point to Bokurano as an example of this, which was a series I haven’t been able to bring myself to continue watching since I stalled it after thirteen episodes. Do I disagree with Shadowmage and Bokurano’s other fans that it’s a brilliant series? No, I might not enjoy it as much as he did but I will pay that it’s a raw, heavy and powerful drama and that it’s gutsy just on the material that it covers. So why didn’t I feel compelled to continue watching it when the fansubbers stalled… I’m not sure, I guess I found myself simultaneously underwhelmed and overwhelmed by it, and therefore grew detached. Kinda hard to explain. Do I feel bad that I stalled it, and have thirteen unwatched episodes sitting on my hard-drive? Yes. Do I have the impetus to go back to it? No. As it stands, I have to make time to even watch the third greatest anime I’ve ever seen.

This is another anime that ranks pretty high among the greatest I've seen.

This is another anime that ranks pretty high among the greatest I've seen.

I think this comes a bit back to the idea of hard and soft anime that gaguri from Ha Neul Seom proposed about a month ago, and that, to expand on the idea, in general, hard anime tend to find critical approval, while soft anime can sometimes be dismissed as aiming for mass appeal. The point I want to make is that, in regards to an anime diet, I think it’s really unhealthy to watch either just one or the other and not both. Similarly, I think it’s really unhealthy to not follow a variety of genres or styles or popularities… (I’m making up words now) where “popularities” refers to a range of variously sized followings for a given series, from “popular” to “obscure”. What I basically mean by it is that one shouldn’t only follow series that are really popular or series that are really obscure, and that one should choose series based on a mix. I like to watch popular series for two reasons. First, because it’s an effective way to keep up with trends in anime. Second, because of the social aspect I discussed in an earlier post. I guess a third, more tenuous reason is that sometimes they turn out to be popular for a reason. I don’t subscribe to the “it’s popular therefore it’s crap” point of view (it doesn’t need to be pointed out who shortsighted this view is), but I do think that there’s a greater tendency for obscure series to be more rewarding.

But, again, you can’t use tendencies to drive speculation to make truly fair judgement calls on anime, because you’ll inevitably be wrong. I think many people that drop shows habitually probably don’t care too much if they turn out to be wrong later on. There is no irreversibility about dropping shows after all, but a lot of people seem resigned to the fact that you can’t be perfect in what you pick and some will even go so far as to put the onus on a series to prove that it’s worthwhile in the first few episodes. What I tend to find is that series that start off crap and turn out to be good are almost invariably among the most rewarding to watch. Do they, within the anime diet, justify sticking around with so many of the other shows that start off crap and end up that way? Dunno, that’s a hard call to make. But, as mentioned earlier, the fact that these shows also have a valuable place within my anime diet also makes them worthwhile.

I guess the point is that pretty much everyone will drop shows because it’s just a practical thing to do in certain situations. If one takes a step back from the extreme logical conclusion that an anime’s worth can only be fairly judged by watching the show all the way through, every single minute, then one can have more faith in the judgement calls they make after two or three episodes, and can therefore drop series that fail to pass the so called “three episode test” without much dent to one’s conscience. The three episode test is probably good for 80% of anime one would choose (to pull a number out of my ass), but the fact that it produces so many false negatives is the reason why I don’t trust it and wouldn’t use it.

I kid you not.  Want to read what I thought of the first episode of this show?

No kidding. I was actually unimpressed by the first ep of this show.

So, the fact that I commit to the series I choose to sample at the outset of a new season kinda demands that the choosing process must happen very carefully. In the past, it didn’t, and I was happy to shoot a shotgun at a new season and latch onto whatever got hit, as well as any sequels or specific titles I had a vested interest in. If I missed a good series at the beginning, I could always go back after the season was over. These days my time is much more limited (and that’s not just because of RL, this site is partly to blame for that), which is why it’s very important to get the choice right (and I guess also why I’m dropping shows more frequently than I used to, as in, once or twice a year rather than previously never). So what drives the decision process when choosing new anime? Things like genre (I’ll never pass up a good old-fashioned iyashikei anime), studio, staff, hype, etc. The ironic thing is that, previously when I was choosing anime with a high degree of randomness, I wasn’t making so many decisions, but now, by making careful choices while constructing my anime list for the season, I’m essentially making judgement calls about series before even seeing a single episode which, one could very readily argue, is even less fair than making judgement calls based on the first few episodes.

So, is the entirely ideological approach inherently flawed. I’d say, not when coupled with a highly random decision making process. By making less decisions, I’d argue one can be more fair with their judgements of a collection of series. But what about when the decisions aren’t random, does that make it less flawed than the “three episode test”. I’d say, it depends on the intention. Are you building a knowledge base about anime for the sake of commentary, or do you just want to be entertained? Because, if it’s the former, as long as you’re not commenting on series that you haven’t even seen, then the crap series eventually justify themselves by contributing to your anime knowledge and increasing your ammunition for use as an anime commentator. And the good series that start out as crap, the surprises, just make the entire process worthwhile.

To end with some meta, Owen S, contributing to anitations, takes an even more hard-lined view than myself, not so much on the matter of dropping anime, but on the matter of commenting on the anime that you’ve no intention of watching all the way through.

At the beginning of each season, we get a lot of #1 judgements based off one, two, maybe three episodes–reactionary tripe that we can safely ignore, for that asinine herd polemic is merely meant for the purpose of perpetuating a blogger’s insecure, fragile ego, and the need to proclaim that the latest season is terrible in order to establish their purported superiority, nevermind how they have shit taste in shows themselves.

#1 judgements are only valid when a significant portion of an anime said to be representative of its entirety has been seen, if you ask me, and if nothing short of watching the whole thing allows for a proper representation, then so be it. Plot-heavy anime usually fall into this category, and to denounce something when it hasn’t played all its cards… I don’t know.

I agree, haterz should STFU LOL! I think one can make judgement calls on what they’ve seen, provided that the rider “so far” is at least implicit. But, I kinda agree with the view that, if you’re going to openly criticize an anime very early on, the least service you could do to the anime is stick around and eat humble pie in just as open a manner if you’re initial impressions turn out to be wrong.

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11 Responses to “An Ideologically Extreme Approach to Dropping Anime”

  1. I like to distinguish between dropped anime and “lost” anime. I consider anime to be lost if the lack of subs contributes substantially to my decision to stop following it.

  2. I’m not sure if I like your idea of anime diet. I like the idea of being exposed to wide range of genres, styles, themes, bla bla. On the other hand I don’t like the idea of having to suffer through 26 episodes of crap, especially if it’s just like another ten 26 episodes of crap that has been done before. I guess the positive side of this is that you can join in the latest discussions with others, since the most popular (which tends to be crappy~mediocre imo) titles have the most people talking.

    And I don’t think ‘dropping’ shows must mean you’re missing out on them. You can always go back. Hell you can go back at episode 13 if you hear all the good things about it, and still have another 13 episodes to talk about it with others. Dropping/halting shows is just something I do when I don’t see much potential in it, since I am more likely to waste time (in my speculative judgement, which tends to be fairy accurate).

  3. I have a legendary drop list. I drop most anime either after one episode or halfway through the first episode. I can pretty much immediately tell how much I’m going to give a shit about a show. This is a necessity, too, because I try everything.

    I have to say, you made a terrible choice dropping Kanokon. Easily the most underrated show of 2008 and IMO one of the best.

  4. I can’t really agree with your anime diet ideaology. This is mostly because I’m watching anime to be entertained, and you kind of make it sound as if having a balanced watchlist is a requirement for being able to comment on anime in general. I don’t thnk that’s the case at all. If you truly like anime and you have Mad Debatin’ skills then you should be able to use whatever knowledge you have to stand your ground as a commentator, no matter how much you have or haven’t seen.

    If I’m only into a limited number of genres (hypothetically, since I’m not really) then that’s all I’ll watch and that’s all I’ll talk about. For example: the many mecha fans on the blogosphere. There’s nothing particularly wrong with taht either.

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  6. Bloggers I feel drop shows because they don’t feel like reviewing them all the way through.

    Bloggers are different from non-blogging fans. There is a compulsion to write about shows.

    Writing is an end that requires discipline, and strategies like anime-dieting as presented here feed this discipline – whether it’s for critical sharpness, or balance, whatever.

    Non-bloggers I imagine drop shows because they simply don’t enjoy watching them anymore – and even if they acknowledge the show may get better later on, there are better alternatives than suffering through the wait (i.e. other shows, other activities). At least, that’s how my non-blogging friends do it (as well as my wife, who only blogs when I ask her to).

    Reviewers have may act as the ‘guardians of quality’ for the anime viewers, so in sticking with shows that are bad and writing about them, they are providing a service to the viewer. I’m no reviewer, but I do find recommendations useful.

  7. @Baka-Raptor
    Unfortunately there are a lot of good shows that get “lost”. Eg, where are my subs for Mouryou no Hako. It’s not a huge problem for good shows you’re excited about, as long as you’re patient, but for middle of the road shows, it’s hard to get motivated when subs start up again.

    @gaguri
    The thing is, as my schedule stands right now, and given the fact that new shows are just “easier” to watch, partly because of the social incentive, I don’t think I can just go back and watch a show after I’ve dropped it. I know I should be able to since dropping something isn’t irreversible, but it’s just harder to pick an old anime up again for reasons I’ve discussed earlier, particularly if you weren’t so enthused by it the first time.

    @digitalboy
    What did I miss out on in Kanokon, a loli with band-aids over her nipples? Yeah, that’s one of the few shows I have little regret about dropping.

    @Omisyth
    Yeah, but if you are debating against someone who does have a comprehensive anime diet, then chances are they’re going to know more than you, and that puts you at a disadvantage. I see the anime diet as a way to build ammunition for one’s discourse and opinion. It optimizes your chances of being “informed”. And, in my opinion, there’s little more tacky than reading anime commentary from someone who clearly isn’t informed (eg, read some of the editorials they’re posting on ANN about the new season at the minute).

    @ghostlightning
    Yeah, that’s basically it. It’s all about discipline. It makes me a little nervous to refer to reviewers as the “guardians of quality”, but at the core of the issue, that’s basically true. We, as reviewers might put our opinions on pedestals (which, interestingly, is a fairly narcissistic thing to do, but I don’t think there’s a huge amount inherently wrong with that… and that’s an issue for another blog post, maybe), but that must inevitably come with responsibilities to one’s readers. One of those responsibilities is that you must be informed about what you’re writing about. I think the process of thinking about and refining “anime diet”, which is different things to different people, is one of those things a commentator can do to help make sure that they are actually informed.

  8. As far as blogging and dropping anime is concerned, I don’t really put them together. I like a lot of shows this season, but aside from my Ristorante Paradiso post, I feel I have nothing new to contribute to the massive influx of posts from the blogosphere (or I’m just inarticulate in my love for it).

    My strategy for dropping is this: let’s say my watchlist is a priority queue. If I want to drop a show, I’ll put it at the end of the queue. That way, when I’m out of anime to add to my queue, I just re-examine them, and maybe I’ll be in the mood to pick them up, or finally remove them from the queue–in which I’d never look back. I find this great because once my initial distaste of the show clears up, I end up liking it the second time around. That is, if I don’t have anything else to watch.

  9. One of the other things I forgot to mention earlier as well is that I also think that, the less you know about an anime going in, the more chance you have of your judgement being fair. When you take it to its logical conclusions, that also kinda leads to the idea that, the less decisions you make when choosing and dropping anime (ie, random), the more fair you can be when judging a collection of anime. Because you’re less likely to be influenced by external things… which, in my opinion, is a greater source of subjectivity than one’s innate biases and preferences.

  10. That’s something I disagree with. Most anime series I watch are completed ones from the past, and I’d like to think all this time my sensual, emotional and intellectual response has been a result of something between me and anime, and not influenced by reading someone’s opinions. Even if it is influenced, it should be so minimal that it shouldn’t matter. If anything, from my experience following series tends to make me more likely to be influenced by the on-going discussion.

  11. Whether I would want to watch a (seemingly) lousy anime is a shady issue for me, because I see it as a case-by-case analysis. If the anime seems to have a lot of pedophile elements accompanied by moe drawing ala Koharu Biyori, then it’s very likely that I won’t watch it (I did watch it, but only because it’s only 3 OVAs long). Plus, like what many are doing, I watch anime to be entertained. Being a reviewer or an analyst of sorts is just secondary to me, as I do so out of fun. I do admire those who watch a lot of anime – like them or hate them – and thus have a lot of experience to share and argue with other people.

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