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	<title>Comments on: AnimeSuki 2009 Choice Awards: Picking Winners</title>
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		<title>By: The Typical Idiot Fan</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Typical Idiot Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:15:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;It’s a harmless contest to just pimp out shows you love but is not credible award/contest/etc in any way.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

While that may be true, to me it&#039;s a symptom of the larger problem the fanbase has.  If we&#039;re not even capable of recognizing that which needs to be recognized, then anime fandom is circling the drain right along with network TV fags who enjoy American Idol.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It’s a harmless contest to just pimp out shows you love but is not credible award/contest/etc in any way.</p></blockquote>
<p>While that may be true, to me it&#8217;s a symptom of the larger problem the fanbase has.  If we&#8217;re not even capable of recognizing that which needs to be recognized, then anime fandom is circling the drain right along with network TV fags who enjoy American Idol.</p>
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		<title>By: Shadowmage</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shadowmage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 05:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes... somewhat.  As a 50 episode series, the show did have several less than stellar fight scenes, but there were quite a few incredible ones every seven episodes or so.  The fusion of the manga&#039;s bold visual style and Bone&#039;s animation team made the show look great.  

I was actually extremely disappointed when Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood ended up looking only half as good as Soul Eater considering that the show was newer and higher profile.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes&#8230; somewhat.  As a 50 episode series, the show did have several less than stellar fight scenes, but there were quite a few incredible ones every seven episodes or so.  The fusion of the manga&#8217;s bold visual style and Bone&#8217;s animation team made the show look great.  </p>
<p>I was actually extremely disappointed when Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood ended up looking only half as good as Soul Eater considering that the show was newer and higher profile.</p>
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		<title>By: gaguri</title>
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		<dc:creator>gaguri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 06:24:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I liked last year&#039;s animesuki awards, because there were tons of good anime i watched that year, not so much this year. It&#039;s a harmless contest to just pimp out shows you love but is not credible award/contest/etc in any way. It&#039;s simply way too poorly organised. The categories themselves are extremely poorly defined, and one of the reasons why 5cm/sec didn&#039;t get nominated was because large portion of people didn&#039;t think the category included movies (because it&#039;s often unfair). And even categories like &#039;storyline&#039;, you have people like TIF and you also have people who like Bakemonogatari&#039;s mini stories and their variations unified by common theme. Or just fanboys who will vote bakemonogatari regardless of category, which is actually the contest&#039;s biggest problem considering the size of its community. 

I agree with SM that SoulEater should at least be recognised as nominee, and yes Toradora should def win Romance not Bakemonogatari (as much as I love episode12).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I liked last year&#8217;s animesuki awards, because there were tons of good anime i watched that year, not so much this year. It&#8217;s a harmless contest to just pimp out shows you love but is not credible award/contest/etc in any way. It&#8217;s simply way too poorly organised. The categories themselves are extremely poorly defined, and one of the reasons why 5cm/sec didn&#8217;t get nominated was because large portion of people didn&#8217;t think the category included movies (because it&#8217;s often unfair). And even categories like &#8216;storyline&#8217;, you have people like TIF and you also have people who like Bakemonogatari&#8217;s mini stories and their variations unified by common theme. Or just fanboys who will vote bakemonogatari regardless of category, which is actually the contest&#8217;s biggest problem considering the size of its community. </p>
<p>I agree with SM that SoulEater should at least be recognised as nominee, and yes Toradora should def win Romance not Bakemonogatari (as much as I love episode12).</p>
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		<title>By: Sorrow-kun</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sorrow-kun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 05:47:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ascaloth
Yeah, it&#039;s interesting how there&#039;s more competition in the Male category than there is in the Female category.  The other interesting thing is that there&#039;s no mention of Haruhi... anywhere.  I knew the second season would be forgotten quicker than the first... I didn&#039;t realize it&#039;d be this quick.

@Flash Sword Irene
Thanks for the kind words.  I&#039;ve quickly scanned over the voting thread and it does look like a two horse race between Eve no Jikan and Higurashi Rei in the OVA category, with Eve no Jikan slightly ahead.  But I think you&#039;re hoping against hope if you want Zoku Natsume Yuujinchou to outpoll K-On!.

@Shadowmage
Phantom wasn&#039;t a pure &quot;action&quot; series, but did Soul Eater really have better action sequences than DtB2 and Canaan?  I could only go by what I know of DtB&#039;s first season, but KnK and Canaan were incredible, visually, especially during the set pieces.

@Shinmaru
You should see the &lt;a href=&quot;http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=79306&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Kampfer thread&lt;/a&gt; on the ASuki forums, particularly the last fifteen or so pages.  People actually cared so much, it was pathetic.  They raged and got trolled so hard, it was simultaneously glorious and depressing.  gg&#039;s Koda was about the only voice of reason in the whole thread.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ascaloth<br />
Yeah, it&#8217;s interesting how there&#8217;s more competition in the Male category than there is in the Female category.  The other interesting thing is that there&#8217;s no mention of Haruhi&#8230; anywhere.  I knew the second season would be forgotten quicker than the first&#8230; I didn&#8217;t realize it&#8217;d be this quick.</p>
<p>@Flash Sword Irene<br />
Thanks for the kind words.  I&#8217;ve quickly scanned over the voting thread and it does look like a two horse race between Eve no Jikan and Higurashi Rei in the OVA category, with Eve no Jikan slightly ahead.  But I think you&#8217;re hoping against hope if you want Zoku Natsume Yuujinchou to outpoll K-On!.</p>
<p>@Shadowmage<br />
Phantom wasn&#8217;t a pure &#8220;action&#8221; series, but did Soul Eater really have better action sequences than DtB2 and Canaan?  I could only go by what I know of DtB&#8217;s first season, but KnK and Canaan were incredible, visually, especially during the set pieces.</p>
<p>@Shinmaru<br />
You should see the <a href="http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=79306" rel="nofollow">Kampfer thread</a> on the ASuki forums, particularly the last fifteen or so pages.  People actually cared so much, it was pathetic.  They raged and got trolled so hard, it was simultaneously glorious and depressing.  gg&#8217;s Koda was about the only voice of reason in the whole thread.</p>
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		<title>By: Shinmaru</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shinmaru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 17:54:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phantom does get a lot better as it goes along, but it&#039;s good for the storyline and characterization, not the action, which isn&#039;t even on the level of Canaan, much less Darker than Black.

I voted Kemono no Souja Erin for adventure/fantasy, too, but I think Spice and Wolf II is better than the first season, if only because the second arc is better than either of the arcs from the first season. That storyline had me sucked in from the start.

The shitstorm about Kampfer ep11 had me laughing so much. Were people actually invested enough in the storyline to be angry at the creators for deciding, &quot;Eh, fuck this, let&#039;s do something crazy for the finale!!&quot; I thought it was by far the most entertaining episode in the entire run.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phantom does get a lot better as it goes along, but it&#8217;s good for the storyline and characterization, not the action, which isn&#8217;t even on the level of Canaan, much less Darker than Black.</p>
<p>I voted Kemono no Souja Erin for adventure/fantasy, too, but I think Spice and Wolf II is better than the first season, if only because the second arc is better than either of the arcs from the first season. That storyline had me sucked in from the start.</p>
<p>The shitstorm about Kampfer ep11 had me laughing so much. Were people actually invested enough in the storyline to be angry at the creators for deciding, &#8220;Eh, fuck this, let&#8217;s do something crazy for the finale!!&#8221; I thought it was by far the most entertaining episode in the entire run.</p>
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		<title>By: Shadowmage</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shadowmage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 06:07:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I call BS on Soul Eater not being on the Action list.  The show may be mediocre, but it had some of the best animated fights scenes I&#039;ve seen in television anime (though I admit that Kara no Kyoukai did have better fight scenes overall).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I call BS on Soul Eater not being on the Action list.  The show may be mediocre, but it had some of the best animated fights scenes I&#8217;ve seen in television anime (though I admit that Kara no Kyoukai did have better fight scenes overall).</p>
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		<title>By: Flash Sword Irene</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flash Sword Irene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 05:27:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For Adventure/Fantasy, Kemono no Souja Erin and Zoku Natsume Yuujinchou are the only strong candidates really.  My gut feeling is that people will pick ZNY, although Kemono no Souja Erin pulling the upset would definitely make me happy.

For Mecha/Sci-Fi, Kidou Senshi Gundam 00 2 is easily the weakest of the group and does not deserve the award whatsoever.  Personally, I am torn between SINS and Eve for the best in category.  SINS seems like the total underdog, so I am rooting for that show to win it all even if Eve no Jikan is more deserving in actuality.

I don&#039;t give a rat&#039;s ass about the next few categories until slice of life.  Zoku Natsume Yuujinchou easily wins this hands down.  And, it is the only anime I was willing to watch out of that category.  =X

I won&#039;t bother with the next few categories.  Movie-wise, I want the underdog in Cencoroll to win even though logic favors Kara no Kyoukai hands down.  (Sorry Sorrow-Kun, I am the only one to defy you on this one.  =P)  OVA-wise, Eve no Jikan winning would make me happy without qualms.  Regarding favorite character type, there is no one I would even vote for whatsoever.  

Overall, I am not stoked over things such as Aoi Bungaku not making it at all.  I suppose there is next year for one of the best animes of last year.  (Or not).  Still, this is a reminder alongside the Year in Review that last year was not that great.  (Btw, you guys got it right for the most part on the Year in Review).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For Adventure/Fantasy, Kemono no Souja Erin and Zoku Natsume Yuujinchou are the only strong candidates really.  My gut feeling is that people will pick ZNY, although Kemono no Souja Erin pulling the upset would definitely make me happy.</p>
<p>For Mecha/Sci-Fi, Kidou Senshi Gundam 00 2 is easily the weakest of the group and does not deserve the award whatsoever.  Personally, I am torn between SINS and Eve for the best in category.  SINS seems like the total underdog, so I am rooting for that show to win it all even if Eve no Jikan is more deserving in actuality.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t give a rat&#8217;s ass about the next few categories until slice of life.  Zoku Natsume Yuujinchou easily wins this hands down.  And, it is the only anime I was willing to watch out of that category.  =X</p>
<p>I won&#8217;t bother with the next few categories.  Movie-wise, I want the underdog in Cencoroll to win even though logic favors Kara no Kyoukai hands down.  (Sorry Sorrow-Kun, I am the only one to defy you on this one.  =P)  OVA-wise, Eve no Jikan winning would make me happy without qualms.  Regarding favorite character type, there is no one I would even vote for whatsoever.  </p>
<p>Overall, I am not stoked over things such as Aoi Bungaku not making it at all.  I suppose there is next year for one of the best animes of last year.  (Or not).  Still, this is a reminder alongside the Year in Review that last year was not that great.  (Btw, you guys got it right for the most part on the Year in Review).</p>
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		<title>By: Ascaloth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ascaloth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 04:29:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>C) Mecha/Scifi: You know, the fact that Gundam 00 S2 is the only real “mecha” nominee in this category is testament to how barren 2009 was for mainstream mecha fans (Yes, I put “mainstream” to filter out OVAs like MS Igloo and the like in the probably-vain hope this will keep certain people from going on another rant). Then again, it’s just another barren genre in an overall barren year….

F) Romance: I just cannot fathom how Bakemonogatari is giving CLANNAD ~AS~ a fight in this category. Sure, the relationship between Arararagi (oops, I stuttered) and Senjougahara is pretty unique, but really, the Tomoya-Nagisa coupling is on a whole new level altogether when it comes to romance. I think Bakemongatari is still riding the wave of a recency effect in this and other categories.

O) Male Character: Well, if this Awards ever had a “Group of Death”, this year’s “Battle of the Princes” would be it. Araragi Koyomi is the latest in an ongoing trend of great tsukkomi male leads which started with SHnY’s Kyon, and he also enjoys the recency effect. Takizawa Akira has charm, charisma and memorability within his arsenal, and he too comes from an acclaimed series. Hei is banking on pure sex appeal, as the emergence of the “Heisexual” term might attest (although it’s probably nowhere near enough to win this). But if there’s one nominee I feels deserve to win this, I’m with you Sorrow; Okazaki Tomoya simply has some of the best character development I’ve seen to date, and would probably have been a shoo-in for this category in most other years.

P) Female Character: On the other hand, Senjougahara probably rightly deserves the impending win she’ll get in this category.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>C) Mecha/Scifi: You know, the fact that Gundam 00 S2 is the only real “mecha” nominee in this category is testament to how barren 2009 was for mainstream mecha fans (Yes, I put “mainstream” to filter out OVAs like MS Igloo and the like in the probably-vain hope this will keep certain people from going on another rant). Then again, it’s just another barren genre in an overall barren year….</p>
<p>F) Romance: I just cannot fathom how Bakemonogatari is giving CLANNAD ~AS~ a fight in this category. Sure, the relationship between Arararagi (oops, I stuttered) and Senjougahara is pretty unique, but really, the Tomoya-Nagisa coupling is on a whole new level altogether when it comes to romance. I think Bakemongatari is still riding the wave of a recency effect in this and other categories.</p>
<p>O) Male Character: Well, if this Awards ever had a “Group of Death”, this year’s “Battle of the Princes” would be it. Araragi Koyomi is the latest in an ongoing trend of great tsukkomi male leads which started with SHnY’s Kyon, and he also enjoys the recency effect. Takizawa Akira has charm, charisma and memorability within his arsenal, and he too comes from an acclaimed series. Hei is banking on pure sex appeal, as the emergence of the “Heisexual” term might attest (although it’s probably nowhere near enough to win this). But if there’s one nominee I feels deserve to win this, I’m with you Sorrow; Okazaki Tomoya simply has some of the best character development I’ve seen to date, and would probably have been a shoo-in for this category in most other years.</p>
<p>P) Female Character: On the other hand, Senjougahara probably rightly deserves the impending win she’ll get in this category.</p>
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		<title>By: Sorrow-kun</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sorrow-kun</dc:creator>
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		<description>@temperus
I&#039;m actually surprised that Aoi Hana even got nominated.  I think the way people generally think during these nominations is to only nominate series for the category that best fits.  So people nominated Spice and Wolf for Fantasy and then forget about it as a Romance (despite that being what it&#039;s really about).  The only way a series can get nominated multiple times is if it&#039;s big (Bakemonogatari) or an absolutely obvious choice (Kara no Kyoukai).

@Scamp
RideBack was too obscure and easily forgotten.  It airing at the beginning of the year didn&#039;t help its cause.  As for Hetelia, controversy and obscurity (let&#039;s face it, it has a pretty small target audience) pretty much killed its chances.  Three of the nominees for Comedy have their own sub-forum, while Seitokai no Ichizon&#039;s discussion thread has over a thousand replies.  Hetelia&#039;s just not big enough.

@zzeroparticle
Yeah, Needless was a surprise, not that I know anything about it&#039;s music other than &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ITG8-rIm3U&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; (safe for work, but you&#039;d probably have a lot of explaining if you were caught watching it).

@Akira
I haven&#039;t listened to the full OST, but Bakemonogatari has some good music.  There are tunes that stand out, and there are some that have a real sophisticated feeling (particularly some of the ones that play when Senjougahara is on screen.)  As for Senjougahara herself, I&#039;d be surprised if it was even close.

@TIF
That&#039;s some rant.  The romance choices make sense to me, while slice-of-life is usually regarded as anything that doesn&#039;t have a story, or is episodic (so I have no idea what Tokyo Magnitude 8.0 is doing there, except that I guess it was relatively &quot;realistic&quot; at first... though certainly not later on).  As for sports, ongoing anime aren&#039;t eligible.  If Cross Game was nominated, I&#039;d expect it to win comfortably.  I can see your point about Storyline, but you just have to accept that popular series are always going to get first crack at the major categories (I was more perturbed by Code Geass R2 first being nominated and then winning that category last year).  And, yeah, Worst Character is a terrible category and they need to get rid of it.

So, yeah, I agree with most of your complaints except Romance.  Both Clannad and Bakemonogatari have their place there.  Clannad for the same reason Spice and Wolf is in the Fantasy category... people generally try to only nominate most series for the category that best fits, except for the big and obvious cases.  Try not to think of these awards as &quot;Best&quot;.  Try to think of them as &quot;Best of the Mainstream&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@temperus<br />
I&#8217;m actually surprised that Aoi Hana even got nominated.  I think the way people generally think during these nominations is to only nominate series for the category that best fits.  So people nominated Spice and Wolf for Fantasy and then forget about it as a Romance (despite that being what it&#8217;s really about).  The only way a series can get nominated multiple times is if it&#8217;s big (Bakemonogatari) or an absolutely obvious choice (Kara no Kyoukai).</p>
<p>@Scamp<br />
RideBack was too obscure and easily forgotten.  It airing at the beginning of the year didn&#8217;t help its cause.  As for Hetelia, controversy and obscurity (let&#8217;s face it, it has a pretty small target audience) pretty much killed its chances.  Three of the nominees for Comedy have their own sub-forum, while Seitokai no Ichizon&#8217;s discussion thread has over a thousand replies.  Hetelia&#8217;s just not big enough.</p>
<p>@zzeroparticle<br />
Yeah, Needless was a surprise, not that I know anything about it&#8217;s music other than <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ITG8-rIm3U" rel="nofollow">this</a> (safe for work, but you&#8217;d probably have a lot of explaining if you were caught watching it).</p>
<p>@Akira<br />
I haven&#8217;t listened to the full OST, but Bakemonogatari has some good music.  There are tunes that stand out, and there are some that have a real sophisticated feeling (particularly some of the ones that play when Senjougahara is on screen.)  As for Senjougahara herself, I&#8217;d be surprised if it was even close.</p>
<p>@TIF<br />
That&#8217;s some rant.  The romance choices make sense to me, while slice-of-life is usually regarded as anything that doesn&#8217;t have a story, or is episodic (so I have no idea what Tokyo Magnitude 8.0 is doing there, except that I guess it was relatively &#8220;realistic&#8221; at first&#8230; though certainly not later on).  As for sports, ongoing anime aren&#8217;t eligible.  If Cross Game was nominated, I&#8217;d expect it to win comfortably.  I can see your point about Storyline, but you just have to accept that popular series are always going to get first crack at the major categories (I was more perturbed by Code Geass R2 first being nominated and then winning that category last year).  And, yeah, Worst Character is a terrible category and they need to get rid of it.</p>
<p>So, yeah, I agree with most of your complaints except Romance.  Both Clannad and Bakemonogatari have their place there.  Clannad for the same reason Spice and Wolf is in the Fantasy category&#8230; people generally try to only nominate most series for the category that best fits, except for the big and obvious cases.  Try not to think of these awards as &#8220;Best&#8221;.  Try to think of them as &#8220;Best of the Mainstream&#8221;.</p>
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