SCOTIF: Fandom vs. Spring ’11 Season

Supreme Court Interior

Nine seats but only one TIF with all the power

Oyez, Oyez, Oyez!

All persons having business before the Honorable, the Supreme Court of the Typical Idiot Fans, are admonished to draw near and give their attention, for the Court is now sitting.  God save Anime and this Honorable Court!

The Court shall now hear arguments on docket entry number zero-zero-two; the case of Fandom v. Spring ’11 Season.

Before we begin, the Court would like to amend an earlier ruling.  During the case of Fandom v. Winter ’10-’11 Season this Court ruled that the anime titled GOSICK was “shit”.  With new evidence being brought to the Court’s attention in the form of the second cour of the show, the Court will instead declare that GOSICK is “not shit” and will enter into record that all wrong doing of the anime in question shall be dismissed.  The Court would like to extend a heartfelt apology to all persons involved in the production of GOSICK and to any fans who were not pleased with the Court’s previous ruling.  Let it be known that the Supreme Court of the Typical Idiot Fans is not above admission of wrongdoing.  Occasionally, even the most perceptively infallible bodies fail.

Secondly, the Court is pleased to announce that it will change the manner in which the rulings are determined.  In the previous case, the Court made arbitrary decisions based on the shows it had personally seen.  However, since the Court was unable to view more than 66% of the shows given out for the Spring Season, the Court shall solicit the opinions of others, found within The Nihon Review’s Review Section, within the forum discussion threads relevant to the anime in question, or will pull opinions from outside sources as necessary, to render a decision.

Be seated.  We shall now begin making rulings on the individual animated programs organized starting with the first program shown or available by date and alphabetical order second in the event of a tie.

Ano Hana

They were "Forget-Me-Nots". There, mystery solved.

Kampfer:  Fur die Liebe:  Look, I know some of you folks actually liked Kampfer for whatever retarded reason you could come up with.  Natsuru’s density (or boobs), the class president’s resemblance to Senjogahara (or boobs), Sakura became your waifu after you found out that she’s the villain for some damned illogical reason (or boobs), or whatever.  The Court simply could not ever get past the stupidity of the whole thing.  The Court recognizes that, after a spell, the show became self aware and lampooned the stupidity up to absurd levels and became a self parody, but that couldn’t save it from being absolute dreck.  What does this have to do with the OAVs?  Simple, it’s just more of the same.  There’s nothing new or interesting in here worth paying attention to.  Unless, y’now (or boobs) is your thing.  The Court is so dismissive of this OAV that it didn’t even bother figuring out the ASCII code requirements to put the little dots over the “u” in “fur” to give it the long German sound.  The Court doesn’t care that much.

Ruling – “Shit”.

Ano Hi Mita Hana no Namae o Bokutachi wa Mada Shiranai (Ano Hana):  Ascaloth’s Review.  The Court sees no reason to disagree with the contents of this review.  A rating of “8” certainly constitutes a favorable response.

Ruling – “Not Shit”.

X-Men AnimeThe Court is not sure if it is required for the “anime” to be there on the title, since that would make it a bit redundant.  However, that is how it is listed in several places so… yeah.  The Court also did not see this one, so must bow to another expert:

AC’s Review.  The Court will accept AC’s point that while the show isn’t perfect it isn’t shit either.  Therefore…

Ruling – “Not Shit”.

Dog DaysThe Court couldn’t get past the first episode of this obvious piece of drivel.  Searching amongst the forums finds this post from Kylaran:

If the cast for this anime wasn’t so ****ing amazing I’d have dropped this way back, but hollyyyyy shit does this anime do so many things wrong.

MAL users gave it an interesting overall rating of 7.15, which should prove to the entire world that people who post on MAL are fucking stupid.  Kabitzen of Sea Slugs found it shallow entertainment but didn’t hate it.  But, c’mon, the show is about dog eared and tailed humans “fighting” other monster eared and tailed creatures with those insane “Ninja Warrior” and “Takeshi’s Castle” type suicide events… how not shit can this really be?

Ruling – “Shit”.

No... seriously... anybody watch this? Anyone? Hello?

Pretty Rhythm Aurora Dream:  Uh… *checks notes*… Uh… *whispers to an aide* <does anybody have any info on this one?>… *coughs into hand nervously and waits*… hmm.. *aide comes back*… <nothing?  nobody watched it?  anywhere?  well why in the fu… find out!>… Excuse us a second folks.  It seems there’s been some confusion on this particular entry.  *aide comes back again* <seriously? no subs?  no Crunchyroll simulcast? zip?.. okay then>… *clears throat*… It would appear that there is no information on this show, thus the Court is going to abstain on this particular ruling.  If any in the audience would kindly provide some input, the Court would appreciate it.

Ruling – *shrug*.

Hanasaku IrohaThe first cour started out amazingly well and then slipped into some dreadfully fucking stupid territory before finishing up strong.  The Court dearly hopes that the second cour will be a little more stable with the “good” parts, instead of waxing bipolar with half assed attempts at unfunny comedy.

Ruling – “Not Shit”.

Hen Zemi TVThe Court bows to the opinion of the Honorable Shadowmage:

Awwww,   I loved Hen Zemi… back when it was an OAD.  This version was too tame so it ended up kind of boring.  The series needs to find its batshit again.

Ruling – “Shit”.

NichijouThe members of the Court are a bit divided on this one.  Some believe it is the ultimate take on the ‘anti-joke’.  Some, including the Honorable Chief Justice, believe it is the most unfunny damned thing that ever was unfunny.  However, the latest responses in the discussion thread seem to indicate a step in the right direction and, thus, a favorable ruling.

Ruling – “Not Shit”.

This might be the most wholesome shot in this show.

Tiger & BunnyThough not as badass as the Honorable Chief Justice would prefer for a superhero themed show, it is still a good romp of homage to western themed superhero shows with just enough of an “anime” mix to make it unique and fun.  The first cour did well, and deserves a favorable ruling.  The Court retains the right to change it’s mind if the second cour falls flat on it’s face.

Ruling – “Not Shit”.

Ore-tachi ni Tsubasa wa NaiThis might be the first controversial ruling for this season, but the Court really can’t say that this show wasn’t fun.  Yes, it was retarded.  Yes, the fanservice was jarring and embarrassing.  Yes, most of it was shit.  The Court recognizes that there are many negatives that would turn the average viewer off to a show like this.  However, there are times when even the most clusterfuck of a show can be good.  This is one of those rare times.

Ruling – “Not Shit”.

Sengoku Otome – Momoiro ParadoxThe Court realizes that considering the Ore-tachi ruling above, that the average person may not understand the difference in perception regarding the rulings on this show.  To that, the Court just replies with a rigid middle finger and advises that anybody who can’t tell the difference should find the nearest and most splinteriest broomstick and fornicate their mother with it.

Ruling – “Shit”.

Kaji 2 – Hakairoku HenA long awaited sequel by fans.  The Court did not watch this one but heard nothing negative about it either.

Ruling – “Not Shit”.

The "A" is for "Ah shit, the fuck did I get myself in to?"

Steins; GateFrom Sorrow-kun:

This is great stuff, isn’t it.  Utterly fascinating anime on a number of levels.

S’all I need.

Ruling“Not Shit”.

Sket DanceInitially scared off by the title, the Honorable Chief Justice did actually enjoy the slightly quirky way the anime works itself.  However, we could not end up tolerating the formulaic nature of the show and eventually had to declare it a let down.

Ruling – “Shit”.

30-sai no Hoken TaiikuRaunchy, crass, and exploitative.  The Court loved it.  However, next time, let’s leave the censors at home, eh?

Ruling – “Not Shit”.

A-ChannelThe Court has had it up to here with cutesy moe classroom romps where nothing fucking happens.  Watching cute girls doing cute things was barely tolerable with K-On!.  Take those four retards out of the mix and you’re just left with nothing.

Ruling – “Shit”.

Go on. Guess who voiced this character. No, not Hanazawa Kana.

Denpa Onna to Seishun OtokoYeah, what are the odds the Honorable Chief Justice is going to declare a Shinbo anime shit?  Not likely.

Ruling – “Not Shit”.

Dororon Enma-kun MeerameraAs the Honorable Chief Justice tried to explain to another person, “It’s Go Nagai”.  If you don’t care for Go Nagai’s brand of humor to begin with, you probably wont ever.  This isn’t to say that Dororon Enma-kun was good, it just means that it’s not a universally appreciable show.  The Court liked it, but the Court must remain objective.  Thus…

Ruling – “Shit”.

Hidan no Aria:  The Court finds [gg] fansubbing group guilty of being unfunny faggots.  The Court knows this show is shit and agrees with [gg] that nobody gave a fuck.  The Court disagrees with the notion that [gg] wouldn’t have spent it’s time better elsewhere instead of bothering with this.  Thus, the Court finds that [gg] complaining about a shit show and having to subtitle it is [gg]’s own fault and they have no excuse to be such douche-bags.

Ruling – “Shit”.

Maria Holic AliveSince the Court did not see the original Maria Holic, the Court has to rely, one again, on the wisdom of the masses.  Seems they enjoyed it.

Ruling – “Not Shit”.

 

I'm with you, sister.

Soft TennisThe Court made it through one episode of this, and judging by comments from others, the Court didn’t miss much.  One thing that the Court needs answered:  what exactly in the hell is “soft” tennis?

Ruling – “Shit”.

Astarotte no OmochaGee, let me think, what possible ruling am I going to give this?

Ruling – “Shit”.

Seikon no Qwaser II:  This show could have been a frank and honest take on the Rape of Nanking or other such controversial stories that the Japanese don’t want to talk about and I’d still declare it shit because the premise of the show is about suckling women’s breasts for power ups.  The Court is, frankly, dismayed that it cannot give a more harsh ruling.

Ruling – “Shit”.

The World That God Only Knows IIThe Court refrained from watching the second season of this show merely out of a lack of time, not interest.  However, the Court would like to point out that the stupid irony of the plot is not lost on them and the Court does not find it clever at all.  However, since the show seems to be a fun romp without a lot of criticism, we’re left with no choice.

Ruling – “Not Shit”.

As Sorrow-kun once put it: "She's your Asset, not your Waifu."

[C] – The Money of Soul and Possibility Control[C]… well… [C] just sucks.

Ruling – “Shit”.

Ao no Exercist:  From AC again:

My problem with Exorcist, and the shounen genre as a whole, is that it’s very generic. Almost all these shounen fare share the same thing: flamboyantly designed characters, a juvenile and “cool”-engrossed protagonist whose age mirrors the type of viewers the creators are aiming for, fanservice, cool power(-ups) and the “science” behind them, a beach episode, etc.

The Court would like to point out that it is not above appreciating a good beach episode.  However, Generic Shounen Anime are annoying and generally shit.

Ruling – “Shit”.

Deadman Wonderland:  Forum member and admitted harem lover Yggberry put this… well just the best:

I hate this show. It’s stupid. And I don’t mean this just by my prejudice against shounen. There are shounen I can tolerate. But not this. Retardation of this level deserves only a 1/10.

Shinmaru agrees.

Ruling – “Shit”.

The programs have been judged.  The rulings are tallied.  The final verdict is in.  We, the Honorable Supreme Court of the Typical Idiot Fans do hereby declare that the defendant is:

Shit, by virtue of 14 decisions of Shit to 12 decisions of Not Shit.

This was a weird season.  There were certainly more shows that deserved to be included in this case as opposed to the previous case.  Maybe because of the higher volume, the likelihood of shit shows increased.  The thing is, the shit wasn’t just limited to the “trying to make money” shows that you normally see on late night TV.  Noitamina wasn’t exempt from shititude, as [C] laid one of the biggest and most rotten eggs we’ve ever seen.  One has to wonder whether [C] was really Noitamina material to begin with and hopes that this, along with Fractale, isn’t a sign that they’re running out of ideas.  One constant:  shounen shows are shit.  Few shounen shows survived this season with a favorable ruling.  Maybe that’s a hint.  The market for young men is often mired in bad storytelling, instead going for exploitative and cheap thrills.  Hell, when the Honorable Chief Justice was a young man, he didn’t have nearly the appreciation for a good show he does now.  Hell, the Honorable Chief Justice loved Knight Rider for fuck’s sake.  Thus, maybe the problem is us.  Maybe we’re being too unfair to shounen shows; using lofty expectations for shit that just wont get there.  Nah.

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24 Responses to “SCOTIF: Fandom vs. Spring ’11 Season”

  1. So your logic is basically this:
    if it’s not mainstream, it’s shit.

  2. I only like Kampfer because it’s so butt fuckingly retarded (but it’s definitely no Rio).

  3. The severe bias towards shonen/action is quite appalling. Ao no Exorcist shit? Please. I can see why many were turned off by Deadman Wonderland, but Ao no Exorcist is anything but shit. It has both great production values and an outstanding OST. The story is a bit generic, but still reasonably fun and entertaining for anyone who gives a rats ass about shonen. How about getting the opinion of an actual shonen fan to determine if a shonen show is bad rather than a non shonen fan that utterly doesn’t understand the mind set for the genre itself?

    These rulings are quite frankly awful.

  4. Where the hell is Moshidora? That’s another “Not-Shit”.

    http://myanimelist.net/anime/9693/Moshidora

  5. @aeroblip16

    I think people here were mixed on Moshidora. I wasn’t a fan (and I think at least one or two others might not have been fans, either), but I know Sorrow_kun and TIF both liked it.

    Also, I’m not sure I would call Blue Exorcist shit, but it wasn’t really engaging me all that much, so I dropped it. Too much dicking around and not enough awesome like in the second episode.

  6. Having seen up to episode 5 of The World God Only Knows II, I can report that, so far at least, it’s not shit. At the very least, it’s a decent improvement over the first season.

    Dog Days isn’t shit. It isn’t good, but I had fun watching it. It at least stays light-hearted throughout and, surprisingly, I couldn’t find a character in this that annoyed me, which is usually the case in these types of series.

  7. Comments below will be ignored if they do not begin with “If it pleases the court”.

    I swear I don’t know why I bother. How can I maintain my elitist pretentiousness if people aren’t going to follow a simple rule? Ye gods.

    Oh well. Some shit to address here, so I will:

    So your logic is basically this:
    if it’s not mainstream, it’s shit.

    That is definitely one interpretation of my rulings. A shallow, misguided, and idiotic one, but certainly one.

    I only like Kampfer because it’s so butt fuckingly retarded (but it’s definitely no Rio).

    No it isn’t. Rio was at least somewhat entertaining butt-fucking retarded. Kampfer was butt-fuckingly retarded until the whole shitstorm with Kaede happened, then it got stupid.

    The severe bias towards shonen/action is quite appalling.

    I think you mean “bias against”. Meh, I guess what you wrote works.

    Ao no Exorcist shit?

    Uh huh.

    Please.

    Well since you asked so nicely… no it’s still shit.

    Bear in mind that for that particular ruling I was basing the judgments off the comments of others. I have not personally watched the damn thing and I don’t care to. Shinmaru’s opinion seems to match the opinions of quite a few others.

    If I may, your own required qualifiers do not help the show not be shit. If you have to only judge shounen from the perspective of someone who likes shounen, then the show is shit for everybody else. Only being able to appeal to a niche audience doesn’t make the show better, but worse.

    To cut through the bullshit, I’m not biased against shounen anime. I’ve personally liked quite a few. Hell, I watch Bleach for some dumb fucking reason that still eludes me. Doesn’t mean I don’t recognize that the show is garbage. Sometimes trash is fun to watch, hence my Dororon Enma-Kun comment, but that doesn’t save it from being trash.

    These rulings are quite frankly awful.

    They’re all awful because I declared the one show you’re defending as shit? Meanwhile you’re not stepping up to the plate to defend Deadman Wonderland which also got a shit ruling?

    Naw, that wasn’t some Grade A hyperbole or nothin’. Thanks for reading tho!

    Where the hell is Moshidora? That’s another “Not-Shit”.

    I did omit a few shows, some on accident and some on purpose. Moshidora would have received a “not shit” rating. I omitted it because it was supposed to have been a Winter season show that got pushed back due to the tsunami and the piece was already getting long. I think S-K already did enough praising of Moshidora that folks should be aware of it’s appeal. I, myself, slobbed that proverbial knob myself in the forum thread. Looking back, like the best erogame option, I should have just put it in.

    Dog Days isn’t shit. It isn’t good, but I had fun watching it. It at least stays light-hearted throughout and, surprisingly, I couldn’t find a character in this that annoyed me, which is usually the case in these types of series.

    This one was tough. I almost wish I’d have watched it myself or just omitted it entirely due to conflicting comments I was getting around the blog-o-sphere. I’m certainly never going to take a MAL ranking seriously, but there just seemed to be enough wavering on various points in Dog Days that we could have opened an entire blog post comments thread to debating it.

    In the end though, it’s still a fucking stupid premise, no matter how hard they try to make it work. It is also exploitative with the various moe animorphs and whatnot. There’s enough stink here that I don’t think can be rubbed off that easily.

  8. @Reckoner

    Why would one need to take a shounen fan’s opinion for a shounen series? The latter is likely gonna be supportive towards the genre as a whole, anyway. An average viewer who’s impartial towards genres may give a more rational opinion than one who likes a certain genre, if you ask me.

    About Exorcist, it has good soundtrack and production values, I guess. But it’s terribly generic and formulaic because of what I said; it’s like the show is freshly made from a cookie-cutter. If it rocks your boat, then fine, but it doesn’t change the fact: it’s just fodder. Unoriginal and predictable show that uses religious themes just to make itself look cool.

  9. You haven’t given a single reason why Ao no Exorcist qualifies as shit. You have done nothing but evaded the fact that you have provided literally no substantive criticisms against the show. Even worst you just said you haven’t even watched the damn thing and you’re relying on the opinion of someone who isn’t particularly in love with the genre.

    And who are your so called sources? I’ve seen plenty of shonen fans give it tons of appraisal. I’ve also seen non shonen fans even say it actually isn’t half bad.

    Lastly, if a show is targeted at a certain demographic, and it succeeds at pleasing that demographic, what is the problem here? If anything the show has shown some abilities to go beyond that confined demographic and expand a little bit to some audiences that normally scour away form the genre. I don’t know what rabbit hole you have been hiding in, but all you’ve demonstrated is intellectual dishonesty which is disgusting.

    Oh and please correct my spelling and grammar again, it does after all support your argument and the pretentious persona you’ve crafted with joy over the years.

  10. My post was directed at TIF, above as an FYI.

    @AC

    The problem I see here is that while most people agree that Ao no Exorcist hasn’t provided anything shockingly new to the genre, it has been rather well executed. The production values and such just support this.

    In any case I was talking about people who are specifically not privy to the genre as not being the ones who should be reviewing these shows. The bias comes from allowing typical run of the mill generic crap to fly in anything remotely SoL like to run free, but if an action/shonen show does it all hell is let loose. I haven’t really seen any rational reason from an impartial person that the show is shit. That’s what I’m taking issue with, the fact that TIF is clearly not an impartial person.

    Anyways, I don’t think Ao no Exorcist is the most amazing show out there, because as you said, it is fairly generic and relies on many of the already present elements in the shonen genre, but it definitely separates itself on things like technical execution and the lack of any real glaring flaws in its story.

  11. there are times when even the most clusterfuck of a show can be good

    This is a pretty perfect description of OreTsuba. I enjoyed it and will buy the Funi DVDs but it is quite the clusterfuck.

  12. If it pleases the court,

    You include Pretty Dance Rhythm Aurora Dream Dance but just like mid-season impression nothing on Toriko. Also Yondemasu Azazel-san, Hosizora e Kakaru Hoshi (though the ruling there is a given)

    Also awfully echochamber-y in here. You called away to a few anime blogs but most was from your NR or your forums. I also generally think this blog tends toward the more cynical side of anime in comparison to say seaslugs. I believe both blogs are critical but with widely different mindsets on the line between good and bad. (Which reminds me, is there some reason it’s shit and not shit as opposed to good and not good, or is just meant to be humorous) Anyway, I’m just trying to keep the court objective. I personally feel for instance that a good basis for objective reviews come from Star Crossed Anime Blog he considers and balances all the elements of a show well. (Also if you liked Enma-kun psgels has your back.)

  13. @TIF, Reckoner

    I’m going to have to side with Reckoner here. I have no idea how you can give Dog Days a ruling when you haven’t seen the show. As much as I thought the show wasn’t good, I don’t know if I would call it “shit.” But then again, when you only have “shit” or “not shit” as your options, you need to put the dividing line somewhere. The only problem is that the “shit” ruling sounds a bit harsh compared to a “not that great,” but this is really just playing with semantics.

    However, I do understand the purpose of the exorcise: It’s not necessarily to analyze each show per se, but to get a general look at the quality of the season. Quite frankly, Dog Days didn’t contribute anything to the season to make it better. For that, I don’t mind TIF’s verdict. But that also doesn’t change the fact that I would never call it “shit.”

    @Taka

    For all it’s worth, psgels is one person compared to our group of differing and often conflicting writers. Perhaps you’re right; one trait that most of us do share in common is our likelihood not to base a judgment simply on whether or not we liked it or its entertainment factor. In that sense, we try to approach our critique from as technical a perspective as possible. None of us share much in common except for that.

    If you want to argue objectivity, you should realize that TIF citing another NHRV writer’s opinions is about as biased opinion-wise as quoting a fellow blogger he has contact with on the Twittersphere. Although I can see where you’re coming from, at the same time I don’t think you can say that as a site on a whole we’re more or less objective than, say, a blog run by a single individual.

  14. You haven’t given a single reason why Ao no Exorcist qualifies as shit. You have done nothing but evaded the fact that you have provided literally no substantive criticisms against the show. Even worst you just said you haven’t even watched the damn thing and you’re relying on the opinion of someone who isn’t particularly in love with the genre.

    Why would I give a personal critique on something I haven’t seen. That would be asinine. I don’t know if the people whose opinions I have relied on are lovers or non lovers of shounen anime. But they are opinions of people I respect, so I am wont to take their word for it more than other folks.

    Also, “shounen” isn’t a genre, it’s a target demographic. Like shoujou or moe aren’t genres. There may be similar characteristics that appeal to various target audiences, but that doesn’t make them an entire genre unto themselves. They use genres to achieve that end.

    And who are your so called sources? I’ve seen plenty of shonen fans give it tons of appraisal. I’ve also seen non shonen fans even say it actually isn’t half bad.

    Whoopdeedo. Opinions are going to vary, hence my problem with the Dog Days ruling. I’m going to use the opinions I find the most empirical and impartial. And, mostly, I’m sticking to opinions made on this site and it’s forums. There were only a couple of instances where I went out searching for more opinions, and those were the tough ones. Ao no Exercist wasn’t receiving glowing reviews so I felt no need to continue researching beyond NHRV.

    Lastly, if a show is targeted at a certain demographic, and it succeeds at pleasing that demographic, what is the problem here?

    It makes it niche, which means it sucks. K-On! sucks for the same reason. I don’t care if it “does it’s job”. That’s a shitty excuse for a shitty show.

    I don’t know what rabbit hole you have been hiding in, but all you’ve demonstrated is intellectual dishonesty which is disgusting.

    Personally I think I’m consistent. Being intellectually dishonest would be me actually giving a critique of the show without ever seeing it.

    Oh and please correct my spelling and grammar again, it does after all support your argument and the pretentious persona you’ve crafted with joy over the years.

    Awesome! I have been given permission to be a douche! Now you can’t complain about it.

    This is a pretty perfect description of OreTsuba. I enjoyed it and will buy the Funi DVDs but it is quite the clusterfuck.

    I am, frankly, surprised nobody has questioned that ruling yet. I thought for sure Ore-tachi getting a favorable rating would ruffle some feathers vis a vis the other rulings. Maybe everybody just enjoys a good clusterfuck.

    If it pleases the court,

    Holy bitch balls… thank you.

    You include Pretty Dance Rhythm Aurora Dream Dance but just like mid-season impression nothing on Toriko. Also Yondemasu Azazel-san, Hosizora e Kakaru Hoshi (though the ruling there is a given)

    I knew I should have omitted Pretty Rhythm. I honestly left that one in there as a joke, but I am slightly curious as to whether or not anybody actually watched it. I can’t even find subs for it beyond episode three. I’m so damned curious I feel like acquiring the raws and watching it without translation. I know enough Japanese to maybe get by.

    As for the others, the only one I thought about forcing in was Hosizora, but I was crammed to get through the thing and didn’t want to do another bit of research. Toriko and Azazel are kind of the same thing. Also I reviewed none of the movies that came out and, as someone else pointed out, nixed Moshidora completely.

    There was just a ton of shit last season to go through and I, frankly, got lazy towards the end.

    Also awfully echochamber-y in here. You called away to a few anime blogs but most was from your NR or your forums.

    I don’t see a problem with echo-chambering NHRV. We’re not forced to or anything, but I feel it benefits the main site, blog, and community to get more exposure. In my opinion, Kylaran, Akira, S-K, Shinmaru, AC, Shadowmage, Ascaloth, and everybody else at NHRV, form one of the better critical thinking groups about anime. We’re very discerning about our application process (no really, you should see the threads before they get deleted… blood flies) in order to make sure we deliver quality over quantity. I also don’t think we’re too stuck up to think we’re some kind of authority on anything (*cough*ANN*cough*) even if we I run around with an elitist snob attitude sometimes.

    I also generally think this blog tends toward the more cynical side of anime in comparison to say seaslugs. I believe both blogs are critical but with widely different mindsets on the line between good and bad.

    I actually wish I’d gone out and done a few links to BakaRaptor and Scamp and others. Sorrow-kun does a much better job cross referencing other blogs than I do.

    (Which reminds me, is there some reason it’s shit and not shit as opposed to good and not good, or is just meant to be humorous)

    Two reasons:

    1). Humor. Saying “shit” is funny.
    2). Using a crass term seems to incite more reactions.

    Some may call this “trolling” and I wouldn’t argue, but the point is to get people’s attention and invoke some discussion, not just rage. I could say that Show X is “not good” and nobody would care. Say it’s “shit” and… well I get replies like Reckoner’s. Some might criticize that invoking such emotional responses is unproductive for critical analysis and I would probably agree with them. However, fandom is inherently irrational, so going beyond the logic and the reason is cathartic.

    And, yes, it’s fun yanking someone’s chain. Try it sometime.

    Anyway, I’m just trying to keep the court objective. I personally feel for instance that a good basis for objective reviews come from Star Crossed Anime Blog he considers and balances all the elements of a show well. (Also if you liked Enma-kun psgels has your back.)

    I’m more than happy to consider another point of view and will remember that for next time. The final evolution of this project will probably be just that; taking in every opinion I can find. After all, this is the court of the Typical Idiot Fans and we’re all typical idiot fans.

    I’m going to have to side with Reckoner here.

    Bitch.

    I have no idea how you can give Dog Days a ruling when you haven’t seen the show.

    Same way I gave quite a few shows a ruling without seeing the show myself. Nobody’s complaining about the rulings for Kaiji 2, Steins; Gate, Maria Holic 2, or Momoiro Paradox.

    Is this a shortfall of the project, you feel? That’s what I did with the first posting, and some felt I was being too arbitrary. Should I only rule on anime I’ve personally seen?

    I’m open to suggestions. I can’t possibly watch them all, though.

    The only problem is that the “shit” ruling sounds a bit harsh compared to a “not that great,” but this is really just playing with semantics.

    See explanation above. In this case, the semantics IS important.

    However, I do understand the purpose of the exorcise: It’s not necessarily to analyze each show per se, but to get a general look at the quality of the season. Quite frankly, Dog Days didn’t contribute anything to the season to make it better. For that, I don’t mind TIF’s verdict. But that also doesn’t change the fact that I would never call it “shit.”

    At least you understand the purpose behind the “pass/fail” system. The terminology is not going to change, though. It seems to be doing the trick nicely.

  15. Oh here we go. Shonen isn’t a genre. Congratulations, you know what I’m clearly referring to and decide to try and sound smart by informing me of something that doesn’t change a thing about the conversation (I apologize to the anime gods for daring to use a term to get people on the same page instead of its actual true meaning).

    BTW, the key here is that you’re using the opinions that “you” find the most empirical and impartial. The Nihon Review has been anything but kind to shows that target this demographic in general with its current staff (No offense to any of you, it’s ok to like what you like, but it’s clear where the bias swings). By limiting yourselves to opinions on here, you have a very poor scope of the situation overall IMO.

    In any case. I find your ruling on Nichijou funny. There’s a reason why at one point this show had under 1000 sales in DVD/BD. I think this qualifies as shit. Worst KyoAni show since Munto.

    Ao no Exorcist isn’t the only funny ruling I found you had, it’s just the most jarring I saw on the list. I mean considering how well this anime is selling (And no it’s not something like Infinite Shit that sold well for god knows what reason), I’d think you’d want to give it a more fair review overall.

    So yes, you shouldn’t rule on anything that you have either 1) not seen at all or are completely unfamiliar with, or 2) are biased against the particular genre in question.

    Anyway just having fun myself. I’m sure you like more comments on your blog regardless.

  16. Oh here we go. Shonen isn’t a genre. Congratulations, you know what I’m clearly referring to and decide to try and sound smart by informing me of something that doesn’t change a thing about the conversation (I apologize to the anime gods for daring to use a term to get people on the same page instead of its actual true meaning).

    Hey, you’re not supposed to be complaining…

    And actually I’m not. Do you mean “shounen fighting anime”, “shounen harem anime”, “shounen mecha anime”, etc? I know what the genre of Ao no Exercist falls into, but since we’re using a rather broad term to refer to a specific kind of anime, I think it’s best to clarify it. Especially since the question of bias against the genres used in shounen anime has been brought up.

    BTW, the key here is that you’re using the opinions that “you” find the most empirical and impartial.

    Duh? Should I use your interpretations of what opinions are empirical and impartial instead of mine?

    The Nihon Review has been anything but kind to shows that target this demographic in general with its current staff (No offense to any of you, it’s ok to like what you like, but it’s clear where the bias swings). By limiting yourselves to opinions on here, you have a very poor scope of the situation overall IMO.

    I think you’re generalizing a bit much.

    In any case. I find your ruling on Nichijou funny. There’s a reason why at one point this show had under 1000 sales in DVD/BD. I think this qualifies as shit. Worst KyoAni show since Munto.

    Sales don’t mean shit to me. Not only does the financial success of a show not reflect the show itself, but Japan has proven time and time again that it’s fans have some peculiar taste in anime.

    Ao no Exorcist isn’t the only funny ruling I found you had, it’s just the most jarring I saw on the list. I mean considering how well this anime is selling (And no it’s not something like Infinite Shit that sold well for god knows what reason), I’d think you’d want to give it a more fair review overall.

    Well, since “fair” to you would be whatever method makes the ruling “not shit”, no.

    So yes, you shouldn’t rule on anything that you have either 1) not seen at all or are completely unfamiliar with, or 2) are biased against the particular genre in question.

    I’ll take the first one under advisement, since I specifically shirked it for this go around in order to create a sense of wider involvement of opinions and in order to get more anime rulings (since I didn’t watch more than half of last season’s stuff). The second is retarded. I’m not biased against the particular genre of Ao no Exercist and since I didn’t watch it, my bias wasn’t brought into play anywhere.

    Anyway just having fun myself. I’m sure you like more comments on your blog regardless.

    For the second time, “duh”.

  17. A while back in the [C] – The Money of Soul and Possibility Control topic on the forum, I said I would defend the show during the court hearing. Now after some thinking, I realized that there’s no point in arguing about it.

    I liked the show and you thought it was shit, there is no way I can convince you otherwise. I was just reacting to the claim that [C] is the worst show on the noitamina block. While the show it flawed, I didn’t think it was that bad.

  18. You really are a typical idiot fan.

  19. A while back in the [C] – The Money of Soul and Possibility Control topic on the forum, I said I would defend the show during the court hearing. Now after some thinking, I realized that there’s no point in arguing about it.

    There’s always a point in arguing about it. Just make sure you’re arguing with the right guy. Reckoner seems to want to hold me personally responsible for the opinions of others. The same is true for [C], since I used AC’s review on it. Now, in this case, I actually watched [C] myself, so, yeah, you might have a hard time convincing me it wasn’t a real letdown. It was pretty bad. Interesting concepts and fascinating ideas, but the rest was just… it just wasn’t that good. That it is a Noitamina show makes it worse.

    I liked the show and you thought it was shit, there is no way I can convince you otherwise. I was just reacting to the claim that [C] is the worst show on the noitamina block. While the show it flawed, I didn’t think it was that bad.

    Why don’t you think you can convince me otherwise? I’m very open to discussion, despite my general nature. I take what people say seriously (unless they’re a fucking moron). So if you think you can make a good case, go for it.

    You really are a typical idiot fan.

    I know, right? Maybe I should have taken a less blaringly ironic monicker. Nah.

  20. The main reason I usually avoid discussions like this is because I just now started to post on forums, comments and stuff like that a few months ago. I don’t have any really experience with proper story telling but I know what I like and [C] has a lot of it. Therefore I, Marcomax will be specking in the defense of [C] – The Money of Soul and Possibility Control. I seek to prove without doubt that [C] is not shit.

    Battle Sequences:

    The battle scenes in [C] are very interesting to watch. You have the visual design of the assets plus the use of random English ([OPEN DEAL], [YOU HAVE GAINED]). Add onto that the music and choreography and you have and interesting scene. At first the battles seem confusion but the large stock circles in the background help to keep things simple. Larger circle equals more money.

    In terms of the economic lingual tossed around during battle. While the terms may only be related visually, I still looked up each term to find out what it meant. In that case the show encouraged me to learn more about economics.

    Characters:

    Kimimaro in a dull normal guy just trying to live a normal life. While this is a common arch type I think it works here in [C]. I’m not saying he wouldn’t be better if he had more personality. However, for exploring the Financial district and interacting with larger then life characters like Mikuni and Masakaki, his grounded personality works well.

    His relationship with Mysu is also something I thought was interesting. The interactions between these two characters is always enjoyable to watch. Mysu’s strict attitude concerning deals and Kimimaro’s laid back demeanor are what make their deals so dynamic.
    In the real world, seeing them just talk and relax allowed me to really get attached to these characters.

    In the end Kimimaro didn’t fall in love with a credit card, he fell in love with his future. Let me explain, Kimimaro has always been thinking about the future. He wants to live a normal life to secure his future and his big revelation at the end of the series is the the most important thing is one’s future. So of course he would develop feeling for Mysu who represents that future. It really doesn’t get weird until that last kiss.

    Finale and [C]’s place in history:

    There are two main things I ask for from a finale, a conclusive story and some sort of spectacle. The first part of episode 11 offered a spectacle through the final battle. The epilogue after the battle works to conclude the story of Kimimaro and Mikuni, but also leaves the world of the financial district and [C] open for further exploration.

    The last part of my post is about [C] and the Noitamina block. I only just learned about the block when Funimation was streaming Shiki. So I don’t know much about the reputation of the shows in this block. From what I heard, these are meant to be quality shows aimed at a more mature audience. Mature as in intellectually not in terms of violence. Still it strikes me as odd that this is the show labeled the worst on noitamina. I guess that has more to do with the standards of the block.

    Well that was longer then I expected. I hope I made some sense in explaining why I thought [C] wasn’t shit.

  21. Marcomax:

    First off, good post! That was a much more coherent argument than I could do. I would suggest just jumping right in discussions when you join these types of forums/blogs, because that’s the best way to learn about “proper storytelling” in my opinion. Plus, it’s a lot of fun. You may never convince anyone of what you’re arguing (in most debates, both sides leave more convinced of their original argument than before), it’s still worth throwing out there because you can learn a lot from a rebuttal if you actually listen to it. Also, it really doesn’t matter what other people think about a show as long as you like it. Don’t let anyone convince you otherwise. On that note, if it pleases the court, the prosecution would like to offer a rebuttal to the defense’s arguments on the matter of [C].

    My biggest problem with the show is that the theme is handled so badly that the whole series collapses under it. The theme of the show is that it’s not worth selling the future for the present, and everything is built to make that point. Think of it like a persuasive essay. It’s the reason for the dull characters, (because interesting characters would take focus away from the theme), the dry dialogue that’s only about the plot, and most of the major events in the story. This is not unusual, a lot of shows/books/movies actually do this, like Madoka and The Jungle. The problem is that, at least in my case, is that I couldn’t care less about the theme by the end of the show. While Madoka had me emotionally invested in it’s themes (the goal of the show was to show that being a mahou shoujo and getting a wish is not as good as you think it would be, and it did exactly that), C had me completely indifferent about what it was trying to say, and that’s a massive failure. What caused this to happen? I would argue that it’s a variety of things, from the poor execution of Mikuni’s flashback (I should have been crying by the end of that flashback, or at least angry, but I felt nothing at all), the various sub themes that were randomly thrown out there to muddle the focus on the main one (the value of trust as opposed to currency was interesting, but ultimately took valuable time away from the main theme of the story.), problems in the plot (I couldn’t really tell if C was better or worse than what Mikuni did, and that’s an issue), and finally the overall heavy handedness/preaching of the plot (actions speak louder than words, a fact lost on the writers of this show). Since the the thematic purpose of the show failed, all that was left were dull characters, dry dialogue, a terrible romance, and some fancy action scenes. In other words, it’s Dragonball Z all over again, just shorter.

    It’s late at night, so I don’t think that made any sense at all. But if it did, that’s the reason I believe that C is shit.

  22. @Marcomax

    “Interesting” is a very convenient word, isn’t it. I would use this to describe say, Shiki and Asobi ni Iku yo although I won’t give both the same grade even in a million years. And if the only thing that matters is the size of the “circle” at the back, then I guess the whole fight means nothing, eh.

    I think the move names are stupid; the writers simply attach the prefixes “micro”, “macro” and “mezzo” with flation just to give that economics flavor. From the succinct explanation given in the show, it becomes obvious that they’re just the Small, Medium and Heavy Punch on your game controller.

    Kimimaro is stupid too. I was expecting him to be smart or at least knowledgeable about economics since he’s a second-year major in it, yet he asks the most fundamental of questions and needs to be spoonfed on the consequences of everything that happens around him.

    You may say that he fell in love with his future. I say that he fell in love with a girl wearing a tube, a mini-skirt and with horns stuck to her head. Terrible chemistry just ditches anything potentially good that comes from the pair.

    Lastly, what do you mean by “Mature as in intellectually not in terms of violence. Still it strikes me as odd that this is the show labeled the worst on noitamina”? I don’t quite understand what you’re trying to say.

  23. @The Big Guy

    No that makes perfect sense. I can see why this show is considered shit. However, I was still able to overlook these issues and enjoy the show for some reason. The only other shows I’ve been this stuck on a show is Madoka and Infinite Stratos. I was wondering if Madoka was as good as I thought it was and I.S was as bad as I thought it was?

    @AC

    Reading back on that last part, I probably didn’t need to write that “Mature as in intellectually not in terms of violence” line. I was talking to a friend about what mature mean terms of a video game or other media. Whether it’s related to violence and subject matter or as show which deals with mature subjects or both. It was just something in the back of my head.

    The “Worst on Noitamina” label is the real thing that seems to be chipping at me. Even if it’s only a personal opinion and not universal, I still feel like it’s an undeserved title. Being Shit and being the worst are two different levels of bad.

    What I meant with the stock circle was that it could be used as a scoreboard to keep track of the fight. I guess it also helped that I already learned the rules for the fight.

    I didn’t have a problem with economic flavor for the battle moves. I think using a theme to hold the attack names together adds to the show’s feel. It fits better then Small, Medium and Heavy Punch.

    Reading back on my post I did use interesting a lot. I should have gotten a thesaurus. Some words are just more convenient to use like stupid. They even make a point of it for a reason. Because they want to show Kimimaro doesn’t care about wealth. Even in school he’s more focused on becoming a civil servant than an entrepreneur.

    Kimimaro seeing the consequences of his actions and watching as the world changes around him is how the show sets it’s atmosphere. There are some pretty haunting scenes in [C] that just make my heart race.

    That girl wearing a tube, a mini-skirt and with horns stuck to her head is the physical representation of his future. Once it becomes something that’s certain, the future become all the more important. I don’t really understand your point when it comes to their chemistry. I didn’t see many problems with it.

    But really all this doesn’t really matter because I’m engaging in conversation about anime with interesting people. I haven’t been able to do that for a long time so I’m thankful for the Typical Idiot Fan, The Big Guy and AC for responding.

  24. @Marcomax

    The tag “Worst on noitaminA” may be superlative, especially if you look at the words alone. But if you see from a relative point of view, that is, comparing [C] with other series shown in the programming block before, there is truth in it. It’s worst because there isn’t any other show in mind that’s worse. It’s right at the bottom of the pecking order until a much worse show comes along, which frankly I pray that it won’t happen.

    Having a theme in the fight scenes is fine; it fits in the grander economics identity, after all. But having a theme doesn’t make the fight scenes better, which is what I’m driving at. It would be a hell lot better if there’s wit involved, like how the Death Note should be used wisely because using it carelessly yields terrible and irreversible results.

    I don’t understand why the Kimimaro’s future is represented in the form of such a girl. I understand (vaguely) why she resembles someone Kimimaro knows from before, but not her outfit. In fact, I don’t even understand why Entres’ Assets look the way they look in the Financial District. Are they supposed to be figurative? Or more simply, does Kimimaro’s future literally involve a girl wearing a tube and frilly mini-skirt? Cynically, the latter makes more sense -.-

    The romance between Mysu and Kimimaro is weird because I don’t understand where it stems from. They don’t interact that often enough, nor do I see any intimacy between them. I see no spark that starts the flame of romance between them. At first, I thought that Kimimaro falling in love with his future was the weird part, but when I think again, I realized that the real problem is the poor chemistry.

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